ISKCON contradicts VEDAS and Puranas

ISKCON calls Lord Shiva an “Anti-Vedic God” stating that he is not present in the Vedas. Ironically, ‘Rudra’ is present in Vedas and the case is different.. What is the sacred text of Hinduism? 


According of Puranas, lets consider Vishnu Purana first :


Vishnu is born in the milky waters, as soon as he is born his mind is full of doubts about his own identity. A sound from some celestial being asks him to meditate on his soul and that he is one of the faces of Paramathman. Vishnu meditates...  In the beginning, all the elements were present in the great ball or egg, which came into existence because of the inspiration of the Paramathman . As this ball increased in size, it formed the base as Prakriti in which, Lord Vishnu Himself entered as Hiranyagarbh. After time cycles , a lotus grew out  of Vishnu's from which Brahma was formed and later Rudra was born out of Brahma.

Now Shiva Purana:

At the beginning of creation , Paramathman manifested as Shiv and Shakthi, the male and female aspects of almighty. Shiva and Shakthi together created the protector, Lord Vishnu and left him in the milky waters...as soon as he is born his mind is full of doubts about his own identity. Now Shiva asks him to meditate on his soul and that he is one of the faces of Paramathman.....the story continues as above.

First of all we have to understand the difference between Shiv and Rudra...

Lord Rudra was born out of Brahma as per all puranas. Brahma mediated on Shiva, the male aspect of Paramathman to have a son. Soon a son manifested on his lap and kept on crying and asked Brahma to give him a name, Brahma named him Rudra. Rudra is none other than Shiva himself in a material appearance. Shiv is a cosmic being and is seen as the divine consciousness in all living beings. 


Its said that Saraswati is the Shakthi of Brahma ,

 Lekshmi the shakthi of Vishnu and 


Parvathi , the shakthi of Rudra. Saraswati , Lekshmi and Parvathi are considered as manifestations of Adi Para Shakthi or Parameshwari. While Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra are manifestations of Parameshwara. 


Brahma Vishnu and Rudra are the same faces of the almighty GOD. Viewing this in a Vedic philosophical basis, we can say that Paramthaman or Brahman, at first manifests as Brahma to create, later manifests as Vishnu to protect and then as Rudra to destroy. If Brahma never creates, Vishnu has nothing to protect and if Vishnu never protects , Rudra has nothing to destroy and if Rudra dont destroy the existing creation then Brahma won't be able to create again.



|| Brahma ( Sattva Guna)    || Vishnu ( Raja Guna)  || Rudra(Tamas Guna)

KRISHNA 


Krishna was born to Devaki and her husband, Vasudeva. On Earth in the Yadava clan, a prince named Kansa sent his father Ugrasena (King of Mathura) to prison and became the King himself. One day a loud voice from the sky  prophesied that the 8th son of Kansa's sister (Devaki) would kill Kansa. Thus, Kansa sent his sister and her husband (Vasudeva) to prison. Lord Vishnu himself later appeared to Devaki and Vasudeva and told them that he himself would be their eight son and kill Kansa and destroy sin in the world. In the story of Krishna the deity is the agent of conception and also the offspring. Because of his sympathy for the earth, the divine Vishnu himself descended into the womb of Devaki and was born as her son, Vaasudeva Krishna.This is occasionally brought up as evidence for the hypothesis that "virgin birth" tales are fairly common in non-Christian religions around the world.However, there is nothing in Hindu scriptures to suggest that it was a "virgin" birth. By the time of conception and birth of Krishna, Devaki was married to Vasudeva and had already borne 7 children. Virgin birth in this case should be more accurately understood as divine conception.

"KRISHNA is the Lord always smiles, the only avatar of Vishnu who was born with miracles. He was never taught anything, as he is knowledge himself. He laughter and music of Krishna is joy forever. Krishna means dark or black but he is said to be the most handsome man ever lived. He was the man behind the great war of Dharma. He was the very person who redefined the real meaning of Dharma."
--- Nalanda

REFERENCE TO RUDRA IN VEDAS 

[01-043] HYMN XLIII. Rudra. ( RIG VEDA )
1 WHAT shall we sing to Rudra, strong, most bounteous, excellently wise,
That shall be dearest to his heart?
2 That Aditi may grant the grace of Rudra to our folk, our kine,
Our cattle and our progeny;
3 That Mitra and that Varuna, that Rudra may remember us,
Yea, all the Gods with one accord.
4 To Rudra Lord of sacrifice, of hymns and balmy medicines,
We pray for joy and health and strength.
5 He shines in splendour like the Sun, refulgent as bright gold is he,
The good, the best among the Gods.
6 May he grant health into our steeds, wellbeing to our rams and ewes,
To men, to women, and to kine.
7 O Soma, set thou upon us the glory of a hundred men,
The great renown of mighty chiefs.
8 Let not malignities, nor those who trouble Soma, hinder us.
Indu, give us a share of strength.
9 Soma! head, central point, love these; Soma! know these as serving thee,
Children of thee Immortal, at the highest place of holy law.

"There are about seventy-five references to Rudra in the Rigveda overall"

"There is no reference to Krishna in vedas , Ramayana and other holy works written before Dwapara Yuga."



There is Shri Rudram in Taittariya samhita of Yajurveda.(4.5 ).
 It is otherwise called shatharudriyam. let us see what it says about Rudra.

Namasteastu bhavagan vishvesvaraya mahadevaya
triyambakaya triupurantakaya trikalagni kalaya kalaagni Rudraya nilakanthaya mrutyunjayaya sarveshvaraya sadashivaya
Sriman mahadevaya Namah 

Meaning:

"Let my salutations be to that great God who is the Lord of the universes; the great God who has three eyes and who destroys Tripura, the three Asura cities. To that God who is the Dandhya time when the three sacred fires are lit; who is Rudra the fire that consumes the universe; whose throat is blue; who has conquered death; the Lord of all; the ever auspicious one; salutations to that glorious and great God."

REFERENCE IN Atharva Veda

"May (Rudra), the lord of beings, and Indra. drive forth from here the Sadânvâs; those that am seated on the foundation of the house Indra shall overcome with his thunderbolt!"

Atharva Vedas indicates Rudra as a most feared , all powerful God

7. May we not conflict with Rudra, the archer with the dark crest, the thousand-eyed, powerful one, the slayer ofArdhaka!

REFERENCE IN Sama Veda

Help, thou who knowest lauds, this work, a lovely hymn in Rudra's praise,
Adorable in every house!

There are many such reference of all powerful Rudra in the Vedas but still ISKCON conisered thy lord low, here he is contradicting the Vedas and Puranas.


GOD SHIVA THE FIRST GOD OF MANKIND 
Jacob washing sacred pillow stone "BETHEL"

The biblical God Himself was a pillar resident in his early days, when he lived in a cylindrical stone (=LINGA) of the sort called BETH-EL dwelling-place of a deity :"This stone , which I have set for a pillar , shall be GOD'S house" (genesis 28:22)


Shivlinga washed with milk

GOD SHIVA THE FIRST GOD OF MANKIND 

The sayar-ul-Okul is regarded as the most important anthology of Islamic poetry. A verse in Sayar-ul-Okul --- "va Ahlolaha azahu Arminan MAHADEVO Manazel Hamuddine minjum va sayattaru" 

which means --- "Even if only once he sincerely worship Mahadeva, he can attain the highest position in the path of righteousness".

Shiva taught the world the technique of yoga. Yoga literally means union and is a form of meditation that teaches about the union between the individual human soul (atman) and the divine soul (paramatman). It is this knowledge that is strived for by those who meditate. And one who does not appreciate this union suffers from illusions. Yoga has five components. These are pranayama, dhyana, pratyahara, dharana and smarana.


"Shivaya Vishnu roopaya, Shiva roopaya vishnuve 
Shivasya Hridayam Vishnu, Vishnoscha Hridayam Shivaha 
Yathantaram na pashyami..... 

Meaning: Shiva is a form(roopa) of Vishnu and Vishnu is a form of Shiva, 
Shiva is the heart of Vishnu and Vishnu is the heart of Shiva and there is no difference between the two. 

We ultimately believe in the Advaita and in one GOD. 

This picture shows Ananthasayanam: The picture God Vishnu is resting on the great snake Adishesha(Ananda).He has God Brahma on the Lotus at grew from his navel and has the Shiva Linga near his right hand on which he is putting a flower (praying) which shows that he is always praying to Mahadev. He has a lotus flower on his left hand.


BOON FOR A SON


Lord Krishna was consumed with the desire to have a son. So he went to seek the advice of a particular sage. When the sage saw Lord Krishna, he was overwhelmed with joy. Everybody was shouting, “Krishna has come, Krishna has come!” and they all started worshiping Krishna.
The sage asked Krishna, “Please tell me what I can do for you. Is there anything that you would like me to do?”
Krishna answered, “It is a very simple thing that I want. I want to have a son. Please tell me how I can have a son.”
“Only Lord Rudra can help in this matter,” said the sage. “You have to pray to Lord Shiva. First, you must gather one thousand flowers. With these flowers you must worship Lord Rudra for many years. When Lord  Rudra is pleased with your worship, you will be granted a son.”
Krishna left the cottage of the sage and entered into seclusion. He put ashes all over his body and clothed himself in the bark of a tree. For years and years he prayed, only to have a glimpse of Lord Rudra and to ask him for a boon.
With her third eye, Parvati saw that Krishna was praying and praying all alone in the heart
of the forest. She said to her husband, “My Lord, what are you doing? Why are you not responding? Lord Krishna has been worshiping you, only you, for so many years.”
“What do you want me to do?” asked Rudra.
“Just go and stand before him,” pleaded Parvati. “As a matter of fact, let us go together.”
Both Parvati and Rudra appeared before Krishna and blessed him with a son. 


SUDARSHANA

For the protection of the world MahA vishNu wanted to have a weapon that is very powerful. He wanted to worship Lord Shiva with thousand flowers to get the the sudarshana disc, which was created by Lord shiva for jala.ndhara samhAra. mahA viShNu collected the required flowers and started the worship. But during the worship, mahA vishNu found that he fell short of one flower to thousand. He did not want to stop at any cost the worship of Lord shiva. Immediately he plucked out and offered one of the eyes as the thousandth flower. Delighted by that devotion, Lord Shiva gave the disc to viShNu. Also mahA vishNu got the name "lotus eyed" (padmAksha) due to the devotion in offering the eye to make up for a lotus.

However the chakra was too powerful for viShNu to hold. So God made it into three parts, one given to viShNu, one to shakti and one kept with Himself. With that chakra the reverend Lord viShNu is protecting all the worlds. The form of Lord shiva blessing viShNu with the disc is the chakra prada mUrthi.

In Padma Purana, Uttara Khanda, Lord Vishnu also tells Shiva-


"O powerful Rudra,in every age in My different incarnations I too shall worship you to delude the demons"



HARI AND HARA are the SAME. 
Rudra is a form(roopa) of Vishnu and Vishnu is a form of Rudra

गुरुर्ब्रह्मा गुरुर्विष्णुर्गुरुर्देवो महेश्वरः ।
गुरुरेव परं ब्रह्म तस्मै श्रीगुरवे नमः ॥१॥

Gurur-Brahmaa Gurur-Vissnnur-Gururdevo Maheshvarah |
Gurure[-I]va Param Brahma Tasmai Shrii-Gurave Namah ||1||
Meaning:
1.1: The Guru is Brahma, the Guru is Vishnu, the Guru Deva is Maheswara (Shiva),
1.2: The Guru is Verily the Para-Brahman (Supreme Brahman); Salutations to that Guru.

Comments

  1. Please dont publish unauthorized and bogus material. Even if you have 100 references your verdict is proven wrong with your own attitude of writing this Article. Lord Shiva will be never pleased with such efforts.

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    1. We have not insulted anyone in the post but just gave out our view on the above discussed section

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  2. I have been in ISKCON 45 years and have never heard Lord Shiva described as "Anti-Vedic God".

    ISKCON publishes authentic translations of Srimad Bhagavatam and other literature that glorifies Lord Shiva.

    However, ISKCON's view of Lord Shiva is consistent with that of the Vaisnava Sampradayas: He is not "superior" to Vishnu. He is a devotee of Vishnu. Particularly, when Vishnu wants to create the material world, He glances at Material Nature (Durga). That glance is Divine Sambhu.

    Because Vishnu never directly touches Durga, His glance (Sambhu, Mahesvara), although He is a manifestation of Vishnu, is not exactly the same as Vishnu. The example is given that yogurt is nothing but milk, but because of the action of acids it is not exactly the same as milk. Similarly, Shiva is a transformation of Vishnu for the work of destruction.

    It is well known from the Puranas that Rudra is born from between the two eyebrows of Brahma. However, that is just one manifestation of Shiva. The eternal, principal Shiva is never born. He has his own realm, Kailash, which is situated between the abode of Devi and the abode of Hari.

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  3. Bs 5.8

    niyatiḥ sā ramā devi
    tat-priyā tad-vaśaṁ tadā
    tal-liṅgaṁ bhagavān śambhur
    jyoti-rūpaḥ sanātanaḥ
    yā yoniḥ sāparā śaktiḥ
    kāmo bījaṁ mahad dhareḥ
    Synonyms:
    niyatiḥ — the regulator; sā — she; ramā — the spiritual potency; devi — the goddess; tat — of Him; priyā — beloved; tat — of Him; vaśam — under the control; tadā — then (at the time of creation); tat — of Him; liṅgam — the masculine symbol, or manifested emblem; bhagavān — possessing opulences; śambhuḥ — Śambhu; jyotiḥ-rūpaḥ — halo; sanātanaḥ — eternal; yā — which; yoniḥ — the symbol of mundane feminine productivity; sa — that; aparā — nonabsolute; śaktiḥ — potency; kāmaḥ — the desire; bījam — the seed; mahat — the faculty of perverted cognition; hareḥ — of the Supreme Lord.
    Translation:
    [The secondary process of association with Māyā is described.] Ramādevī, the spiritual [cit] potency, beloved consort of the Supreme Lord, is the regulatrix of all entities. The divine plenary portion of Kṛṣṇa creates the mundane world. At creation there appears a divine halo of the nature of His own subjective portion [svāṁśa]. This halo is divine Śambhu, the masculine symbol or manifested emblem of the Supreme Lord. This halo is the dim twilight reflection of the supreme eternal effulgence. This masculine symbol is the subjective portion of divinity who functions as progenitor of the mundane world, subject to the supreme regulatrix [niyati]. The conceiving potency in regard to mundane creation makes her appearance out of the supreme regulatrix. She is Māyā, the limited, nonabsolute [aparā] potency, the symbol of mundane feminine productivity. The intercourse of these two brings forth the faculty of perverted cognition, the reflection of the seed of the procreative desire of the Supreme Lord.

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  4. The above quotation was from Sri Brahma Samhita, a scripture that is very sacred and beloved by the Gaudiya Vaisnavas (followers of Sri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu).

    When Sri Caitanya was touring South India in about the year 1513 or 1514 C.E., he found Chapter 5 of Sri Brahma Samhita in the temple of Adi-Kesava along the Payasvini River. It was written on very old leaves and he had a copy made which he brought back with Him to Jagannatha Puri (He also brought back a copy of Krishna-Karnamrta by Bilvamangala Thakur). Some other verses about Shiva in Chapter 5 of Brahma Samhita (the only extant chapter) are as follows:

    Bs 5.9 — All offspring of the consort of the great lord [Maheśvara] of this mundane world are of the nature of the embodiment of the mundane masculine and feminine generative organs.

    Bs 5.10 — The person embodying the material causal principle, viz., the great lord of this mundane world [Maheśvara] Śamhhu, in the form of the male generating organ, is joined to his female consort the limited energy [Māyā] as the efficient causal principle. The Lord of the world Mahā-Viṣṇu is manifest in him by His subjective portion in the form of His glance.

    Bs 5.16 — The function of Śambhu in relation to jīvas is that this universe enshrining the mundane egotistic principle has originated from Śambhu.

    Bs 5.17 — Thereupon the same great personal Godhead, assuming the threefold forms of Viṣṇu, Prajāpati and Śambhu, entering into the mundane universe, plays the pastimes of preservation, creation and destruction of this world. This pastime is contained in the mundane world. Hence, it being perverted, the Supreme Lord, identical with Mahā-Viṣṇu, prefers to consort with the goddess Yoganidrā, the constituent of His own spiritual [cit] potency full of the ecstatic trance of eternal bliss appertaining to His own divine personality.

    Bs 5.41 — I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is the absolute substantive principle being the ultimate entity in the form of the support of all existence whose external potency embodies the threefold mundane qualities, viz., sattva, rajas, and tamas and diffuses the Vedic knowledge regarding the mundane world.

    Bs 5.42 — I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, whose glory ever triumphantly dominates the mundane world by the activity of His own pastimes, being reflected in the mind of recollecting souls as the transcendental entity of ever-blissful cognitive rasa.

    Bs 5.43 — Lowest of all is located Devī-dhāma [mundane world], next above it is Maheśa-dhāma [abode of Maheśa]; above Maheśa-dhāma is placed Hari-dhāma [abode of Hari] and above them all is located Kṛṣṇa's own realm named Goloka. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda, who has allotted their respective authorities to the rulers of those graded realms.

    Bs 5.44 — The external potency Māyā who is of the nature of the shadow of the cit potency, is worshiped by all people as Durgā, the creating, preserving and destroying agency of this mundane world. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda in accordance with whose will Durgā conducts herself.

    Bs 5.45 — Just as milk is transformed into curd by the action of acids, but yet the effect curd is neither same as, nor different from, its cause, viz., milk, so I adore the primeval Lord Govinda of whom the state of Śambhu is a transformation for the performance of the work of destruction.

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  5. I really don't know where you got the idea that Iskcon says that there is no mention of Shiva in Vedas. That is pure foolishness on your part. A straw man argument, for what reason?Just your own nonsense I guess. Misleading others is not a good proposition. Shame,

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  6. Krishna is only supreme personality of godhead


    Īśvaraḥ param Kṛṣṇa

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  7. The sthala Purana of Ananta Padmanabha tells that Visnu is giving His abhayam to Siva not that He's worshipping Siva

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  8. Please read more authorized Scriptures. I would like to direct people to this website for authorized reading and lectures on the subject matter. https://thevaisnava.com/glories-of-lord-shiva-amarendra-das/

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  9. https://thevaisnava.com

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  10. Vishnu is born in the milky waters, as soon as he is born his mind is full of doubts about his own identity??? This is not correct. Please provide the sloka in Vishnu Puran. Vishnu is eternal

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  11. Vishnu is never born in the milky waters. He is eternal. Please read here:https://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/articles/vishnu

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